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		<title>By: Jack D</title>
		<link>http://caleb.org/blog/uncategorized/full-sail-a-factory-for-professional-talent/comment-page-1/#comment-26751</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the father to a full sail student -the admissions people lied to him/us(i was there)about scholarships and loans covering the total cost of the school and now, after only three months, it looks like he is out and we will have to fight them to clear his account-no one can do anything with only three months of school...my suggestion to anyone who is reading this-go to a legitimate school...we were suckered into this-don&#039;t let it happen to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the father to a full sail student -the admissions people lied to him/us(i was there)about scholarships and loans covering the total cost of the school and now, after only three months, it looks like he is out and we will have to fight them to clear his account-no one can do anything with only three months of school&#8230;my suggestion to anyone who is reading this-go to a legitimate school&#8230;we were suckered into this-don&#8217;t let it happen to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that website is http://phreshvibes.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that website is <a href="http://phreshvibes.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://phreshvibes.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was contemplating going to Full Sail. I&#039;ve heard a lot about it-good and bad.

Check this website out. There&#039;s a great blog by a student who goes there now and he&#039;s documenting his experience I think.  I checked it out and it fleshed out Full Sail a great deal for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was contemplating going to Full Sail. I&#8217;ve heard a lot about it-good and bad.</p>
<p>Check this website out. There&#8217;s a great blog by a student who goes there now and he&#8217;s documenting his experience I think.  I checked it out and it fleshed out Full Sail a great deal for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok,
   So I am taking a chance and posting in this forum, because I am headquartered out of Orlando, and need a students help.  We currently run a very successful web business over a few different categories (mainly Consumer Electronics) and we need some Video/Marketing help.  We are looking to create a full set of marketing videos, websites, and creative electronics posts, to help market our brand.
   If any student is interested in an internship or possible &quot;Future Employment&quot; and has some all around Marketing/Social media/Video production and Creative writing experience, we want to speak to you.
Please see a few of our sites, and let us know if you are interested?
www.iPhoneSolarCharger.com and www.CommXperts.com 

Please contact us at: http://tinyurl.com/yzjrgxg  

Thanks - Courtney</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok,<br />
   So I am taking a chance and posting in this forum, because I am headquartered out of Orlando, and need a students help.  We currently run a very successful web business over a few different categories (mainly Consumer Electronics) and we need some Video/Marketing help.  We are looking to create a full set of marketing videos, websites, and creative electronics posts, to help market our brand.<br />
   If any student is interested in an internship or possible &#8220;Future Employment&#8221; and has some all around Marketing/Social media/Video production and Creative writing experience, we want to speak to you.<br />
Please see a few of our sites, and let us know if you are interested?<br />
<a href="http://www.iPhoneSolarCharger.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.iPhoneSolarCharger.com</a> and <a href="http://www.CommXperts.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.CommXperts.com</a> </p>
<p>Please contact us at: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yzjrgxg" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yzjrgxg</a>  </p>
<p>Thanks &#8211; Courtney</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 02:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently enrolled in the Entertainment Business BS program at Full Sail.  I have to say that I find it very interesting how many people love the school and how many people hate it.  I personally am still on the &quot;loving it&quot; side, but have only been in classes for 4 months.

For those of you considering the school here are my thoughts:

First and foremost, do your research (if you are reading this, then you are likely in the midst).  There very well may be another school that is going to cater to your needs better then full sail will be able to.

In this process though, I would recommend talking with people in your field of choice (if you can find one...12 degrees of separation right?) and get their opinion on the school, after all, it will be the people within the industry that will hire you once you graduate, so their opinion matters.  DON&#039;T base your entire opinion on the postings online!  Every product has a failure rate, and the few consumers that happen to get a &quot;failure&quot; are more likely to complain about the product and their experience then one who has had an amazing experience.  I think that car reviews are a good comparison.  If I buy a car for $30k that is everything I expected, I am not likely going to be thinking &quot;I have a great car that has given me no problems... I should tell people that I have no problems&quot;  while on the contrary if I bought that same car and had constant problems I am likely going to try and &quot;warn people&quot; telling them that &quot;EVERY car made is bad...stay away&quot;.  The truth is that I am one of a handful of people that managed to buy a lemon, but there is a much greater majority that had a good experience.

In the case of Full Sail, I don&#039;t think it is a good idea to step into this school (or any school) with the expectation that there will be a guaranteed Return on Investment.  NOBODY can promise this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently enrolled in the Entertainment Business BS program at Full Sail.  I have to say that I find it very interesting how many people love the school and how many people hate it.  I personally am still on the &#8220;loving it&#8221; side, but have only been in classes for 4 months.</p>
<p>For those of you considering the school here are my thoughts:</p>
<p>First and foremost, do your research (if you are reading this, then you are likely in the midst).  There very well may be another school that is going to cater to your needs better then full sail will be able to.</p>
<p>In this process though, I would recommend talking with people in your field of choice (if you can find one&#8230;12 degrees of separation right?) and get their opinion on the school, after all, it will be the people within the industry that will hire you once you graduate, so their opinion matters.  DON&#8217;T base your entire opinion on the postings online!  Every product has a failure rate, and the few consumers that happen to get a &#8220;failure&#8221; are more likely to complain about the product and their experience then one who has had an amazing experience.  I think that car reviews are a good comparison.  If I buy a car for $30k that is everything I expected, I am not likely going to be thinking &#8220;I have a great car that has given me no problems&#8230; I should tell people that I have no problems&#8221;  while on the contrary if I bought that same car and had constant problems I am likely going to try and &#8220;warn people&#8221; telling them that &#8220;EVERY car made is bad&#8230;stay away&#8221;.  The truth is that I am one of a handful of people that managed to buy a lemon, but there is a much greater majority that had a good experience.</p>
<p>In the case of Full Sail, I don&#8217;t think it is a good idea to step into this school (or any school) with the expectation that there will be a guaranteed Return on Investment.  NOBODY can promise this!</p>
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		<title>By: Former Full Sail Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Former Full Sail Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former teacher at Full Sail, I believe I can speak with some authority on Full Scam, or Fool Sale, as the staff called it.  

All this crap I read on message boards about &quot;the whiners are just students who couldn&#039;t cut it&quot; and &quot;you get out of it what you put into it&quot; is garbage.  A bad school is a bad school no matter how dedicated the student and Full Sail is a BAD school.  I&#039;ve been to real colleges and Full Sail isn&#039;t one of them.

First of all, they lie upfront when they tell you that they have industry contacts that will help you get a job after you graduate.  NO ONE at Full Sail has industry contacts.  Let me repeat that, no one at Full Sail has industry contracts.  No one working there knows anyone who works in any of the trades they pretend to teach there.

	If anyone at Full Sail had contacts, he would use them to get a real job.  Anyone who could leave, has left.  Almost all the teachers are there because they can’t get a job anywhere else.  The ones who remain are long past caring about the students.  Only a few new guys care and try to teach students what they need to know and they get burned out pretty quick because they get no support from the corrupt administrators.  

	Students believe that what they learn at Full Sail will enable them to get a job because that’s what the school tells them.  No way.  Nothing in the curriculum will prepare you to compete in the industry, especially against guys with real degrees and more experience.  It’s totally superficial.  No depth of training at all and in-depth training and experience is exactly what you need to get a good job.

	Everything at Full Sail is a front to sucker in new students.  Full Sail spends a tremendous amount of money and effort on decorating and flashy equipment to create the impression that it is a high-tech, state-of-the-art facility.  It’s not. It’s just an illusion.  If all that energy was spent on teaching, graduates might be able to compete in the job market.

	Many are of the Full Sail teachers are Full Sail grads. (I was one of the exceptions.  I went to a real university.) A common joke at Full Sail goes like this:

“What’s the difference between a Full Sail instructor and a Full Sail grad?”

“Three months.”
(The three months between graduation and getting hired.)

	The placement program is a joke.  They do NOTHING for the graduate.  They have NO contacts in the industry.  Any industry.  IN order to fudge their placement statistics, they do things like this:

“A grad got a job at Blockbuster. Well, that’s a job in the film industry, isn’t it?”

No.  That’s a job in retail.

But they list that as a grad getting a job in the film industry.  Orlando is full of video stores staffed by Full Sail grads.

	Everything at Full Sail is a lie.  They tell suckers that Oliver Stone lectured at Full Sail. Wrong!  Stone gave a lecture at UCF and, as a courtesy, the dean at UCF extended an invitation to Full Sail students to attend.  But they still tell that lie today.  I personally heard this lie told by tour guides at the school.

	What kind of school has 24 hour a day classes?  One of my students told me that he had been scheduled for 28 straight hours of classes.  He fell asleep driving home and nearly crashed his car. Does that sound like a good way to study?  The administrators don’t care about the students.  At all.  You could die on campus and they wouldn’t care as long as your check cleared.

	How much do you think you’d learn or remember with that ridiculous schedule?  There’s a reason Full Sail is the only college in the world to use a 24/7 class schedule with no semester breaks.  Full Sail crams as many suckers through as quickly as possible to make money.  Because Full Sail is all about the money.  And the lies.

	Make your own movie?  That’s what they tell students.  Not a chance.  The teachers pick the script (not yours) and the director and you get ASSIGNED a job on the crew.  Whatever job you get, you don’t get to do it long enough to get good at it. I never met a student who was satisfied with the way the film turned out and it was often the teachers who had screwed it up.  And Full Sail provides no continuing education for their staff so every day their knowledge becomes more and more outdated.  I hope you like paying for obsolete training!

	As for show production, save your money and just get a job at a company that does show-pro and learn for free.  Lots of people do.

	As an alternative to Full Sail, if you want to make movies, here’s my advice.

Read books on screenwriting.

Write script.

Buy computer.
Buy and install editing program.

Buy camcorder.

Make movie.

Sell movie to distributor.

	It’s cheaper than Full Sail, you get to keep the gear, and you get to do what you want.

Don&#039;t fooled by their flashy marketing. For the love of God, do NOT go to Full Sail !!

Sincerely,
Former Full Sail Teacher</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former teacher at Full Sail, I believe I can speak with some authority on Full Scam, or Fool Sale, as the staff called it.  </p>
<p>All this crap I read on message boards about &#8220;the whiners are just students who couldn&#8217;t cut it&#8221; and &#8220;you get out of it what you put into it&#8221; is garbage.  A bad school is a bad school no matter how dedicated the student and Full Sail is a BAD school.  I&#8217;ve been to real colleges and Full Sail isn&#8217;t one of them.</p>
<p>First of all, they lie upfront when they tell you that they have industry contacts that will help you get a job after you graduate.  NO ONE at Full Sail has industry contacts.  Let me repeat that, no one at Full Sail has industry contracts.  No one working there knows anyone who works in any of the trades they pretend to teach there.</p>
<p>	If anyone at Full Sail had contacts, he would use them to get a real job.  Anyone who could leave, has left.  Almost all the teachers are there because they can’t get a job anywhere else.  The ones who remain are long past caring about the students.  Only a few new guys care and try to teach students what they need to know and they get burned out pretty quick because they get no support from the corrupt administrators.  </p>
<p>	Students believe that what they learn at Full Sail will enable them to get a job because that’s what the school tells them.  No way.  Nothing in the curriculum will prepare you to compete in the industry, especially against guys with real degrees and more experience.  It’s totally superficial.  No depth of training at all and in-depth training and experience is exactly what you need to get a good job.</p>
<p>	Everything at Full Sail is a front to sucker in new students.  Full Sail spends a tremendous amount of money and effort on decorating and flashy equipment to create the impression that it is a high-tech, state-of-the-art facility.  It’s not. It’s just an illusion.  If all that energy was spent on teaching, graduates might be able to compete in the job market.</p>
<p>	Many are of the Full Sail teachers are Full Sail grads. (I was one of the exceptions.  I went to a real university.) A common joke at Full Sail goes like this:</p>
<p>“What’s the difference between a Full Sail instructor and a Full Sail grad?”</p>
<p>“Three months.”<br />
(The three months between graduation and getting hired.)</p>
<p>	The placement program is a joke.  They do NOTHING for the graduate.  They have NO contacts in the industry.  Any industry.  IN order to fudge their placement statistics, they do things like this:</p>
<p>“A grad got a job at Blockbuster. Well, that’s a job in the film industry, isn’t it?”</p>
<p>No.  That’s a job in retail.</p>
<p>But they list that as a grad getting a job in the film industry.  Orlando is full of video stores staffed by Full Sail grads.</p>
<p>	Everything at Full Sail is a lie.  They tell suckers that Oliver Stone lectured at Full Sail. Wrong!  Stone gave a lecture at UCF and, as a courtesy, the dean at UCF extended an invitation to Full Sail students to attend.  But they still tell that lie today.  I personally heard this lie told by tour guides at the school.</p>
<p>	What kind of school has 24 hour a day classes?  One of my students told me that he had been scheduled for 28 straight hours of classes.  He fell asleep driving home and nearly crashed his car. Does that sound like a good way to study?  The administrators don’t care about the students.  At all.  You could die on campus and they wouldn’t care as long as your check cleared.</p>
<p>	How much do you think you’d learn or remember with that ridiculous schedule?  There’s a reason Full Sail is the only college in the world to use a 24/7 class schedule with no semester breaks.  Full Sail crams as many suckers through as quickly as possible to make money.  Because Full Sail is all about the money.  And the lies.</p>
<p>	Make your own movie?  That’s what they tell students.  Not a chance.  The teachers pick the script (not yours) and the director and you get ASSIGNED a job on the crew.  Whatever job you get, you don’t get to do it long enough to get good at it. I never met a student who was satisfied with the way the film turned out and it was often the teachers who had screwed it up.  And Full Sail provides no continuing education for their staff so every day their knowledge becomes more and more outdated.  I hope you like paying for obsolete training!</p>
<p>	As for show production, save your money and just get a job at a company that does show-pro and learn for free.  Lots of people do.</p>
<p>	As an alternative to Full Sail, if you want to make movies, here’s my advice.</p>
<p>Read books on screenwriting.</p>
<p>Write script.</p>
<p>Buy computer.<br />
Buy and install editing program.</p>
<p>Buy camcorder.</p>
<p>Make movie.</p>
<p>Sell movie to distributor.</p>
<p>	It’s cheaper than Full Sail, you get to keep the gear, and you get to do what you want.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t fooled by their flashy marketing. For the love of God, do NOT go to Full Sail !!</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Former Full Sail Teacher</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m planning on going to Full Sail University for Digital Art &amp; Design. I will be flying in from Boston to attend, and will be staying with my aunt in the Orlando area so housing and transportation isn&#039;t an issue. I&#039;m just  wondering if what I&#039;m paying for will be worth it. I&#039;ve heard really good and really bad things about the film and recording arts departments, but what about the Digital Art &amp; Design? It&#039;s easy to get a job simply because the internet industry is booming, but is Full Sail worth the education?

Money isn&#039;t an issue. ARTi of New England is pulling me in at $93k just for one degree in advertisement. I DO NOT PLAN on staying in FL after I graduate. I plan on going back to Boston immediately and pursuing the online courses for Internet Marketing for a Masters. Will this be worth it? I don&#039;t plan on buying this unless I&#039;m fully aware of what I can get out of it, and I know what precautions to take and what I have to do (i.e. get out of FL after I graduate to look for a job).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m planning on going to Full Sail University for Digital Art &amp; Design. I will be flying in from Boston to attend, and will be staying with my aunt in the Orlando area so housing and transportation isn&#8217;t an issue. I&#8217;m just  wondering if what I&#8217;m paying for will be worth it. I&#8217;ve heard really good and really bad things about the film and recording arts departments, but what about the Digital Art &amp; Design? It&#8217;s easy to get a job simply because the internet industry is booming, but is Full Sail worth the education?</p>
<p>Money isn&#8217;t an issue. ARTi of New England is pulling me in at $93k just for one degree in advertisement. I DO NOT PLAN on staying in FL after I graduate. I plan on going back to Boston immediately and pursuing the online courses for Internet Marketing for a Masters. Will this be worth it? I don&#8217;t plan on buying this unless I&#8217;m fully aware of what I can get out of it, and I know what precautions to take and what I have to do (i.e. get out of FL after I graduate to look for a job).</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just enrolled in the Entertainment Business Bachelors in Science program. Anyone on here know anything about this program? It seems to me to just be like any other business degree, but the electives focus on the entertainment business...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just enrolled in the Entertainment Business Bachelors in Science program. Anyone on here know anything about this program? It seems to me to just be like any other business degree, but the electives focus on the entertainment business&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie, im only speakin about the film program not recording arts (in my opinion recording arts is the only program that fullsail does right) im sure most of your teachers were in the industry and were successfull at it. but as far as film goes the teachers tell you about their expirience in the industry...and every one of them said if they got the call theyd leave fullsail. again this is only the film program. almost all of the film teachers come from UCF film so your not really geting diverse information when it comes to film.

ex. when i was in the 16mm class i had to show my new TA how to properly load film because he had no expirience with it. he graduated from Valencia and i was &quot;teaching&quot; him in a class that cost me $5000. does that seem right?

Fullsail is privatly owned and is a for-profit buisness. they only care about the buck. if you go to the school you know everyone there talks about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie, im only speakin about the film program not recording arts (in my opinion recording arts is the only program that fullsail does right) im sure most of your teachers were in the industry and were successfull at it. but as far as film goes the teachers tell you about their expirience in the industry&#8230;and every one of them said if they got the call theyd leave fullsail. again this is only the film program. almost all of the film teachers come from UCF film so your not really geting diverse information when it comes to film.</p>
<p>ex. when i was in the 16mm class i had to show my new TA how to properly load film because he had no expirience with it. he graduated from Valencia and i was &#8220;teaching&#8221; him in a class that cost me $5000. does that seem right?</p>
<p>Fullsail is privatly owned and is a for-profit buisness. they only care about the buck. if you go to the school you know everyone there talks about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone attend this school without someone else&#039;s financial help?  Please contact me at serendipitous33@rocketmail.com

I am trying to discuss with a friend how one can do anything they put their mind to, no matter what the cost...thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone attend this school without someone else&#8217;s financial help?  Please contact me at <a href="mailto:serendipitous33@rocketmail.com">serendipitous33@rocketmail.com</a></p>
<p>I am trying to discuss with a friend how one can do anything they put their mind to, no matter what the cost&#8230;thank you!</p>
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